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BaconGrease



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Whitewater Canoe Rental? Reply with quote

I know they are not listed as a sponsor on the indianaoutfitters page but I was wondering if anyone has had an experience with them. My church is organizing a trip down the whitewater river and the person in charge is talking about using them. I am going on the trip but I have my own gear (canoes and a kayak) and I was wondering how friendly they were with regards to shuttling me and my gear or even allowing me to put my gear in on their property. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: recommend that you use morgans instead Reply with quote

Whitewater canoe rental acts as though they own the river. Morgans will allow you to use their private ramp to launch and will haul your boat if you want too. I would use them instead.
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BaconGrease



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whitewater canoe rental acts as though they own the river.


I wondered about that. I looked at their website and saw something about how some 1800 law was repealed so they were going to charge you a $2 pass to float by their property Mad . Last time I checked rivers weren't owned by anyone.

I'm not in charge of putting this float trip together so I'm not sure if I can get them to change vendors but I'll try. Thanks for the info.

Anyone else have any firsthand experience with them?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: You are smart Reply with quote

Absolutely.....all flowing water is public water. The Whitewater river is considered a navigable stream. It is public land up to the average high water mark as judged by the vegetation.

Do you want to pay somebody money who wants to take your ownership rights away? Or do you want to use a friendly canoe livery? 'nuff said
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Green Acres Canoe



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: self-owned kayaks Reply with quote

We are located on the southern section of the Whitewater river near Cincinnati. We will transport peoples kayaks for a fee of $10. Our website is www.greenacrescanoe.com
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cwjohnson73



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indiana list of rivers that are navigable by law

http://www.in.gov/nrc/2390.htm

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John Krukemeier



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Whitewater Canoe rental? Reply with quote

"It is public land up to the average high water mark as judged by the vegetation."

This is NOT true according to two different conservation officers that I have asked. The water is public, but the land below the water is private. Anything (anchor, paddle, sinker, etc) that touches the bottom is technically a trespass violation unless written permission has been granted by the property owner.

In Montana the land under the water up to the normal high water line IS public.
I wish Indiana would adopt Montana's laws on this matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: the truth on river bank ownership Reply with quote

it depends if the river is considered navigable or non navigable.....the west fork of whitewater is navigable and thus is public land up to the average high water mark.

check the bottom of http://www.indianaoutfitters.com/riverclickable.htm page and there are links to the Indiana navigability list and also the details on the law about river ownership.

The CO's do not always know...they are not lawyers and they may not know the truth about this.
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John Krukemeier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your source for the "truth" in this matter?

I would love to see something in writing like the actual law.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: river law Reply with quote

did you look at the national rivers link I put up?.....it has the actual law and also has the brief from the court case for every case that has been adjudicated on the subject.

in addition it explains the law in english
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John Krukemeier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never did find the actual law identified (chapter and verse).

It seems that most of the "law" is actually made through court rulings, but that is good enough for me. Too bad that states like Wyoming ignore the federal ruling. Unfortunately, all too often the "law" is based upon decisions made for the litigant with the deepest pockets.

Thanks for the link.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:46 pm    Post subject: river law Reply with quote

the shame is that misinformation gets spread around and then next thing you know Indiana's largest parks (the rivers) are no longer free to camp, fish, and enjoy.

If you find the actual law then I will link to it. I am no lawyer, but I think it is like a constitutional right of being an Indiana citizen.
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